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Old 2018-04-15, 12:24   Link #481
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Demiurge did ask permission to go talk to someone after Ainz' meeting with Sebas. He was then seen flying toward the city and especially the castle. Then Demiurge has the location for 8 of the Eight Fingers's Hideouts. Blue Rose found that there were 7 hideouts, so Demiurge would have only known about those; however, in the princess' conversation with her brother and Raven, they decided to add another EIGHTH location to implicate their older brother. So Demiurge having Eight locations implies that he got that info from Renner.

If he got the information from Renner and she is still alive and not telling anyone about that meeting, then that must mean that the information wasn't given forcefully. What would she want in exchange then? Well, Climb's protection is obvious, isn't it? And the innocents that were killed/kidnapped? Why does she care? She only cares about Climb in the end. Allying with Nazarick, the most powerful force in the world composed of monsters, is an obvious choice for a psychopathic princess that is already called just that... a monster.
There are still a few things that leave me skeptical. If this is indeed true we lack a lot of backstory that explains how Demiurge came to know Renner and why he would trust her.

The other problem is that ostensibly Renner's plan was for Climb to die and get raised so that she could then nurse him. That's what she said to her brother at the very least. In this case Demiurge should have rather ordered to kill Climb on sight.

Of course it might very well be that Renner simply lied to her brother, but I don't think there was any need for her to do so, unless she's not satisfied of being seen as a monster and tries to look even more insane than she is.
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Old 2018-04-15, 15:40   Link #482
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There are still a few things that leave me skeptical. If this is indeed true we lack a lot of backstory that explains how Demiurge came to know Renner and why he would trust her.

The other problem is that ostensibly Renner's plan was for Climb to die and get raised so that she could then nurse him. That's what she said to her brother at the very least. In this case Demiurge should have rather ordered to kill Climb on sight.

Of course it might very well be that Renner simply lied to her brother, but I don't think there was any need for her to do so, unless she's not satisfied of being seen as a monster and tries to look even more insane than she is.
Climb told Sebas about Renner (his master) and Sebas did report his findings to Demiurge. Perhaps Demiurge went there to check up on the info he got and found that she was just as big a monster as everyone else in Nazarick.

Renner could have lied. Think of it this way, Climb was the one that found and saved a large portion of the kidnapped people. That would gain him tons of recognition and become a hero like Renner wanted everyone to see him as. But notice the lack of enemies that Climb and Brain encountered... if Demiurge really wanted those people kidnapped, they would have either been gone already or under strong guards.

However, if she had sent Climb into danger for no reason and then everyone suddenly sees him come back as a hero, they might suspect that she was plotting something.
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Old 2018-04-15, 16:06   Link #483
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Yeah, she had to tell her brother something to explain why she was willing to let Climb take such risks. (And it was risky. If Gazef hadn't come, Lakyus could have died.)

And she also had to either let Clmib go, or explain to him, in her persona as the saintly Golden Princess, why he couldn't try to go rescue the civilians.
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Old 2018-04-15, 20:57   Link #484
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So basically what she told he brother was just a half llie to cover up her actions.
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Old 2018-04-16, 10:36   Link #485
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So basically what she told he brother was just a half llie to cover up her actions.
Of course, that's not to say that she wouldn't love it if it DID happen.
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Old 2018-04-16, 10:43   Link #486
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Obviously, it was a win/win situation for her.

If he returns safe: he went with Brain Unglaus, the result was expected to the eyes of the people.
If he returns injured: it was expected, demons killed lots of people and being injured is better than being dead.
If he dies: he gets revived, dying was a common occurrence, Renner takes cares of him because he died on her orders.
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Old 2018-04-16, 13:03   Link #487
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Obviously, it was a win/win situation for her.

If he returns safe: he went with Brain Unglaus, the result was expected to the eyes of the people.
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If he returns injured: it was expected, demons killed lots of people and being injured is better than being dead.
Depending on how well New World healing works, it may be the reason there was an order not to touch Climb. They can resurrect the dead, but can they regrow limbs? Eyes?

And even if light injuries are fine, you can't really trust the denizens of Nazarick to hold back competently. It's much easier to tell them not to hurt him at all.
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Old 2018-04-16, 13:31   Link #488
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I'm sure there exists as long as he lives. For someone who wants him chained like a dog that's good enough for Renner.
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Old 2018-04-16, 14:34   Link #489
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I wonder if the person who the Nazarick team have been ordered not to kill is actually the rogue, Lockmeyer? The lower part of the image we see produced by Entoma in episode 11 has boots on, in episode 13 Shalltear sees Climb in his armour but Lockmeyer is dressed in typical clothing and standing directly behind Climb.

The LN was sort-of secretive about introducing the rogue, not naming him until quite a bit later in the narrative.
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Old 2018-04-17, 00:49   Link #490
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No that's climb casual clothes when he met Sebastian
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